Dario Amodei (Anthropic CEO) — The hidden pattern behind every AI breakthrough

达里奥·阿莫迪(Anthropic首席执行官)——每一次人工智能突破背后的隐藏模式

Dwarkesh Podcast

2023-08-08

1 小时 58 分钟
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Here is my conversation with Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic. Dario is hilarious and has fascinating takes on what these models are doing, why they scale so well, and what it will take to align them. Watch on YouTube. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here. Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes. Timestamps (00:00:00) - Introduction (00:01:00) - Scaling (00:15:46) - Language (00:22:58) - Economic Usefulness (00:38:05) - Bioterrorism (00:43:35) - Cybersecurity (00:47:19) - Alignment & mechanistic interpretability (00:57:43) - Does alignment research require scale? (01:05:30) - Misuse vs misalignment (01:09:06) - What if AI goes well? (01:11:05) - China (01:15:11) - How to think about alignment (01:31:31) - Is modern security good enough? (01:36:09) - Inefficiencies in training (01:45:53) - Anthropic’s Long Term Benefit Trust (01:51:18) - Is Claude conscious? (01:56:14) - Keeping a low profile Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe
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  • a generally well-educated human.

  • That could happen in, you know, two or three years.

  • What does that imply for Anthropic?

  • When in two to three years, these Leviathans are doing like $10 billion training runs.

  • The models, they just want to learn.

  • And it was a bit like a Zed and Cohen.

  • I listened to this and I became enlightened.

  • The compute doesn't flow, like the spice doesn't flow.

  • It's like, you can't like, like the blob has to be unencumbered, right?

  • The big acceleration that happened late last year and beginning of this year, we didn't cause that.

  • And honestly, I think if you look at the reaction to Google,

  • that that might be 10 times more important than anything else.

  • There was a running joke.

  • The way building AGI would look like is, you know,

  • there would be a data center next to a nuclear power plant next to a bunker.

  • But now it's 2030.

  • What happens next?

  • What are we doing with a superhuman God?

  • Okay, today I have the pleasure of speaking with Dario Amodei,

  • who is the CEO of Ventropic, and I'm really excited about this one.