Leopold Aschenbrenner — 2027 AGI, China/US super-intelligence race, & the return of history

利奥波德·阿申布伦纳——2027年全球人工智能竞赛、中国/美国超级智能竞赛,以及历史的回归

Dwarkesh Podcast

2024-06-04

4 小时 31 分钟
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Chatted with my friend Leopold Aschenbrenner on the trillion dollar nationalized cluster, CCP espionage at AI labs, how unhobblings and scaling can lead to 2027 AGI, dangers of outsourcing clusters to Middle East, leaving OpenAI, and situational awareness. Watch on YouTube. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here. Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes. Follow Leopold on Twitter. Timestamps (00:00:00) – The trillion-dollar cluster and unhobbling (00:20:31) – AI 2028: The return of history (00:40:26) – Espionage & American AI superiority (01:08:20) – Geopolitical implications of AI (01:31:23) – State-led vs. private-led AI (02:12:23) – Becoming Valedictorian of Columbia at 19 (02:30:35) – What happened at OpenAI (02:45:11) – Accelerating AI research progress (03:25:58) – Alignment (03:41:26) – On Germany, and understanding foreign perspectives (03:57:04) – Dwarkesh’s immigration story and path to the podcast (04:07:58) – Launching an AGI hedge fund (04:19:14) – Lessons from WWII (04:29:08) – Coda: Frederick the Great Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe
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  • Okay, today I'm chatting with my friend Leopold Aschenbrenner.

  • He grew up in Germany, graduated valedictorian of Columbia when he was 19,

  • and then he had a very interesting gaffer, which we'll talk about.

  • And then he was on the OpenAI Super Alignment team, made a rest in peace, and now he,

  • with some anchor investments from Patrick and John Collison and Daniel Gross and Nat Friedman,

  • is launching an investment firm.

  • So, Leopold...

  • I know you're off to a slow start, but life is long and I wouldn't worry about it too much.

  • You'll make up for it in due time.

  • But thanks for coming on the podcast.

  • Thank you.

  • You know, I first discovered your podcast when your best episode had,

  • you know, like a couple hundred views.

  • And so it's just been, it's been amazing to follow your trajectory and it's a delight to be on.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • Well, I think.

  • In the shelter in Trenton episode, I mentioned that a lot of the things I've learned about AI,

  • I've learned from talking with them.

  • And the third part of this triumvirate,