Satya Nadella — Microsoft’s AGI plan & quantum breakthrough

萨蒂亚·纳德拉 —— 微软的通用人工智能计划与量子突破

Dwarkesh Podcast

2025-02-19

1 小时 16 分钟
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Satya Nadella on: Why he doesn’t believe in AGI but does believe in 10% economic growth; Microsoft’s new topological qubit breakthrough and gaming world models; Whether Office commoditizes LLMs or the other way around. Watch on Youtube; listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. ---------- Sponsors Scale partners with major AI labs like Meta, Google Deepmind, and OpenAI. Through Scale’s Data Foundry, labs get access to high-quality data to fuel post-training, including advanced reasoning capabilities. If you’re an AI researcher or engineer, learn about how Scale’s Data Foundry and research lab, SEAL, can help you go beyond the current frontier at scale.com/dwarkesh Linear's project management tools have become the default choice for product teams at companies like Ramp, CashApp, OpenAI, and Scale. These teams use Linear so they can stay close to their products and move fast. If you’re curious why so many companies are making the switch, visit linear.app/dwarkesh To sponsor a future episode, visit dwarkeshpatel.com/p/advertise. ---------- Timestamps (0:00:00) - Intro (0:05:04) - AI won't be winner-take-all (0:15:18) - World economy growing by 10% (0:21:39) - Decreasing price of intelligence (0:30:19) - Quantum breakthrough (0:42:51) - How Muse will change gaming (0:49:51) - Legal barriers to AI (0:55:46) - Getting AGI safety right (1:04:59) - 34 years at Microsoft (1:10:46) - Does Satya Nadella believe in AGI? Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe
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  • Satya, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

  • So just in a second, we're going to get to the two breakthroughs that Microsoft has just made.

  • And congratulations, same day in nature.

  • Myerana zero chip, which we have in front of us right here, and also the world human action models.

  • But can we just continue the conversation we were having a second ago?

  • So you're describing the ways in which the things you were seeing in the 80s and 90s,

  • you're seeing them happen again.

  • Yeah, I mean, the thing that is exciting for me,

  • Dwarkesh, first of all, it's fantastic to be on your podcast.

  • I'm a big listener, and it's just fun to be.

  • And I love the way that you do these interviews and the broad topics that you explore.

  • It's true.

  • To me, it reminds me a little bit of my, I'd say, first few years even in the tech industry,

  • starting in the 90s,

  • where there was like real debate about whether it's going to be RISC or SISC or,

  • hey, are we really going to be able to build servers using even X86 or,

  • you know, when I joined Microsoft, that was the in the beginning of what was Windows NT.

  • So everything from the core silicon platform to the operating system to the app tier,

  • that full stack approach, I mean, the entire thing is being litigated.

  • And that's, I think, perhaps,