2025-04-24
1 小时 23 分钟Today, I have the pleasure of chatting with Kyle Harper,
who is a professor and provost emeritus at the University of Oklahoma,
and the author of some really interesting books, The Fate of Rome, Plagues Upon the Earth,
Slavery in the Late Roman World, an upcoming one called The Last Animal.
The reason I wanted to have you on is
because I don't think I've encountered that many other authors who can connect.
Biology, economics, history, climate,
into explaining some of the big things that have happened through human history in the way you can.
The most recent reason I wanted to have you on is I interviewed David Reich,
the geneticist of ancient DNA,
and some of the questions we were discussing,
he kept emphasizing this overwhelming role and surprising role that diseases have had in human history,
not just in the recent past,
but I mean in his work going back like thousands of years, tens of thousands of years,
and he's like, you gotta have Kailan, I emailed him afterwards, like who should I interview next?
And he's like, you gotta have Kailan.
You have this graph in the fate of Rome.
Yeah, you show human population over the last few thousand years.
I assume that these two down spikes are both the bubonic plague or syniapestis, right?
And so this is not like...