2025-06-13
1 小时 36 分钟Today, I'm speaking with Ken Rogoff, who is a professor at Harvard,
author recently of Our Dollar, Your Problem, former chief economist at the IMF.
Ken, thanks so much for coming on the podcast.
Thanks so much for having me and welcome to Harvard, which is where we're filming this.
In your book, you have a lot of anecdotes of meeting different Chinese leaders,
especially when you were chief economist at the IMF.
And it seems like you had positive experiences.
You met the premier with your family and he would listen to your advice.
So, one, how does that inform your view about how competent their leadership is?
And two,
how do you think they got into this mess with their big stimulus or whatever else you think went wrong?
To the extent that when you were talking to them in the early 2000s,
it seemed like you were kind of seeing eye to eye or they would understand your perspective.
Do you think something changed in the meantime?
Well, I first want to be careful to say they listened to everybody.
I mean, the Chinese are way better than we are of sort of hearing a hundred different views.
Mine would be one of many, many, many that they heard.
So I was very impressed by the competence of the Chinese leaders.
So I actually gave a lecture in their party training school where if you're a mayor,
you're a provincial governor,