2025-08-07
1 小时 8 分钟Today, I'm chatting with Louis Ballard,
who is Farm Animal Welfare Program Director at Open Philanthropy.
And Open Philanthropy is the biggest charity in this animal welfare space.
So, Louis, thanks so much for coming on the podcast.
Thanks for having me on.
Okay, first question.
At some point, we'll have a GI.
How do you just think about the problem you're trying to solve?
Are you trying to make conditions more tolerable for the next 10 years until AI solves this problem for us?
Or is there some reason to think that the interventions we're making in terms of improvements like an over-sexing or cage-free eggs,
et cetera, will have an impact beyond this transformative moment.
I think that the end of factory farming is far from inevitable.
Every year, we're factory farming about 2% more animals globally.
I think there are two possible trajectories we could go down.
One is the trajectory that we have been on.
for the last century, which is technology has made factory farming ever more efficient,
resulted in ever more animals being abused in ever more intensive ways.
There is a trajectory where we reduce the number of animals on factory farms,
where we reduce the suffering of each of those animals.
So even if we get AGI,