2025-10-10
1 小时 20 分钟Today I'm chatting with Nick Lane, who is an evolutionary biochemist at University College London.
And he has many books and papers which help us re-conceptualize life's four billion years in terms of energy flow and helps explain everything from how life came to be in the first place,
to the origin of eukaryotes, to many contingencies we see today in how life works.
So Nick,
maybe a good place to start would be Why are eukaryotes so significant in your worldview of why life is the way it is?
Well, first, thanks for having me here.
This is fun.
I love talking about this kind of thing.
So eukaryotes, what's a eukaryote?
It's basically the cells that make us up,
but also make up plants and make up things like amoeba or fungi, algae.
So basically everything that's large and complex that you can see is composed of this one cell type called the eukaryotic cell.
And we have a nucleus where all the DNA is, where all the genes are.
And then all those kind of machinery cell membranes and things.
There's just basically a lot of kit in these cells.
And the weirdness is, if you look inside a plant cell or a fungal cell,
it looks exactly the same under an electron microscope as one of our cells.
But they have a completely different lifestyle.
So why would they have all the same kit
if they evolved to be a single celled alga living in an ocean doing photosynthesis?