Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

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Dwarkesh Podcast

2025-11-13

1 小时 27 分钟
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As part of this interview, Satya Nadella gave Dylan Patel (founder of SemiAnalysis) and me an exclusive first-look at their brand-new Fairwater 2 datacenter. Microsoft is building multiple Fairwaters, each of which has hundreds of thousands of GB200s & GB300s. Between all these interconnected buildings, they’ll have over 2 GW of total capacity. Just to give a frame of reference, even a single one of these Fairwater buildings is more powerful than any other AI datacenter that currently exists. Satya then answered a bunch of questions about how Microsoft is preparing for AGI across all layers of the stack. Watch on YouTube; read the transcript. Sponsors * Labelbox produces high-quality data at massive scale, powering any capability you want your model to have. Whether you’re building a voice agent, a coding assistant, or a robotics model, Labelbox gets you the exact data you need, fast. Reach out at labelbox.com/dwarkesh * CodeRabbit automatically reviews and summarizes PRs so you can understand changes and catch bugs in half the time. This is helpful whether you’re coding solo, collaborating with agents, or leading a full team. To learn how CodeRabbit integrates directly into your workflow, go to coderabbit.ai To sponsor a future episode, visit dwarkesh.com/advertise. Timestamps (00:00:00) - Fairwater 2 (00:03:20) - Business models for AGI (00:12:48) - Copilot (00:20:02) - Whose margins will expand most? (00:36:17) - MAI (00:47:47) - The hyperscale business (01:02:44) - In-house chip & OpenAI partnership (01:09:35) - The CAPEX explosion (01:15:07) - Will the world trust US companies to lead AI? Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe
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  • Today, we are interviewing Satya Nadella,

  • we being me and Dalympitel, who is founder of Simi Analysis.

  • Satya, welcome.

  • Thank you.

  • It's great.

  • Thanks for coming over to Atlanta.

  • Yeah, thank you for giving us the tour of the new facility.

  • It's been really cool to see.

  • Absolutely.

  • Satya and Scott Guthrie, Microsoft's EVP of Cloud and AI,

  • give us a tour of their brand new Fairwater 2 data center, the current most powerful in the world.

  • We try to 10x the training capacity every 18 to 24 months.

  • And so this would be effectively a 10x increase.

  • 10x from what GPD-5 was trained with.

  • And so to put it in perspective, the number of optics,

  • the network optics in this building is almost as much as all of Azure across all our data centers two and a half years ago.

  • It's kind of what?

  • Five million network connections.

  • You've got all this bandwidth between different sites in a region and between the two regions.

  • So is this like a big bet on scaling in the future that you anticipate in the future?