ReThinking: Ken Burns on love and grief (Part 2)

重新思考:肯·伯恩斯论爱与悲伤(第二部分)

WorkLife with Adam Grant

2026-01-13

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Ken Burns is a documentary filmmaker who has produced works about Mark Twain, Jackie Robinson, the American Buffalo, the Civil War, and now, in his latest work, the American Revolution. In this second part of their conversation, Adam and Ken move to more personal topics: Ken’s experience with fatherhood, the role of grief and loss in his work, and his hatred of careerism. Adam pitches some new ideas for upcoming documentaries, and Ken reflects on a time when the word “enthusiastic” was used against him. Host & Guest Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Ken Burns (Website: https://kenburns.com/)  Links https://www.facebook.com/kenburnspbs https://www.youtube.com/user/kenburnspbs https://kenburns.com/films/the-american-revolution/ Follow TED!  X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks  Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts For the full text transcript, visit ted.com/podcasts/worklife/worklife-with-adam-grant-transcripts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • I've been divorced.

  • I've been a single dad twice.

  • The failure of the relationships were in fact a godsend with regard to parenting

  • because it didn't permit the distractions of my work,

  • which are enormous to take away from the fundamental stuff that for half the time I had to be there and cooking dinner and doing laundry and homework.

  • Wow.

  • I have four daughters and they're 43 to 15.

  • I know we're near as good a filmmaker, I think, as I am a father.

  • Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant.

  • Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick.

  • I'm an organizational psychologist and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

  • This week, we're back with the king of historical documentaries, Ken Burns.

  • In this second half of our conversation, things turned a little personal.