Grusch vs Clapper, The Age of Disclosure & the Growing Divide in UFO Disclosure

At the start of 2026, the UFO disclosure conversation appears more fractured than ever. Andy is joined by journalist and Psicoactivo podcast host Pavel to break down David Grusch’s recent comments on The Age of Disclosure, his criticism of senior intelligence figures, and the growing divide within the disclosure movement itself. From insider testimony and documentary narratives to experiencers, biologics, and public readiness, this episode explores where disclosure stands and where it may be heading next. Check out Pavel's work - https://allmylinks.com/pavelanche Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy