Hello, and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.
I'm Doris Freer.
And I'm Elise Hu, and we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
Happy New Year to y'all.
This is our first episode of 2026.
We are here.
We are so here, and we have a very special episode for you today that I'm so excited about.
We did a crossover episode with none other.
Then Anne Helen Peterson, the host of the Culture Study podcast,
the writer of the Culture Study newsletter.
I've known Anne Helen for 10 years, maybe?
We worked together at Buzzfeed.
I edited a lot of her work.
Been a long time fan and friend of hers.
She's awesome.
And it was really nice to get to talk to her about hobbies.
Yes.
So we go into hobbies because I think, well, she'll tell you, she'll explain in the episode,
you know,
a lot of culture study podcast listeners have been wanting an episode about hobbies and not just like what we do,