From President to Defendant: The Legal Case Against Maduro

从总统到被告:对马杜罗的法律诉讼

The Daily

2026-01-05

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Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela was brought to New York with his wife over the weekend to face criminal charges. Charlie Savage, who covers national security and legal policy, discusses the legality of Mr. Maduro’s capture and whether the operation could undermine the legal case against him. Guest: Charlie Savage, who covers national security and legal policy for The New York Times. Background reading:  Can the United States legally “run” Venezuela after Mr. Maduro’s capture? Here’s what to know.The U.S. indictment of Mr. Maduro cites cocaine smuggling. Venezuela’s role in the trade is believed to be modest.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.  Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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  • We're living in interesting times, a turning point in history.

  • Are we entering a dark authoritarian era or are we on the brink of a technological golden age or the apocalypse?

  • No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.

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  • So it is a frigid Sunday afternoon,

  • and I am standing in front of the Metropolitan Detention Center in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, which,

  • improbably,

  • is where Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and his wife woke up this morning after their stunning capture by American troops in Caracas over the weekend.

  • And it's this truly surreal scene

  • because after 12 years as the all-powerful dictator of a major Latin American country,

  • a country with something like 30 million citizens,

  • Maduro has ended up in this jail next to the highway a few minutes from my apartment and a couple blocks from the nearest Costco.

  • It's just such a juxtaposition from what he was just a few days ago to what he is now.

  • And as best we can tell,

  • Maduro is going to remain in this detention center at least until he is arraigned,

  • we think as early as Monday morning in Manhattan.

  • And it's at that point that the U.S.

  • government is going to present its charges against him.