The Path to Enough

通往足矣之路

Hidden Brain

2025-12-16

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This week, we bring you the second part of our 2023 conversation on the perils of too much pleasure. Psychiatrist Anna Lembke explains the neuroscience behind compulsive consumption. She also shares techniques she’s learned from her patients to overcome the lure of addictive substances and behaviors. Then, Anna responds to your questions and comments on everything from dopamine fasts to kids' use of cell phones in our segment "Your Questions Answered." If you missed the first part of this episode, listen to it here. Looking for the perfect holiday gift for the Hidden Brain fan in your life? How about a membership to our podcast subscription, Hidden Brain+? You can learn more about gift subscriptions at patreon.com/hiddenbrain/gift. If t-shirts, tote bags and mugs are more your thing, you can find all kinds of Hidden Brain swag at our online store -- just go to shop.hiddenbrain.org. And if you prefer to give the gift of an experience, consider tickets to our live tour! To see where we’re headed in 2026, go to hiddenbrain.org/tour. Thanks and Happy Holidays!  Episode illustration by Anna Kutukova for Unsplash+ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • This is Hidden Brain.

  • I'm Shankar Vedant.

  • It seems like the simplest choice in the world.

  • Given the option between pain and pleasure, we ought to choose pleasure.

  • Is it better to be hungry or full?

  • Better to be tired or alert?

  • Better to watch another episode of our favorite TV show or do the dishes?

  • It isn't just our own minds that tell us to choose the path of enjoyment and indulgence.

  • Our friends remind us that life is short.

  • Say no to dessert or another round of drinks, and someone might call you a spoilsport.

  • At Stanford University, psychiatrist Anna Lemke has heard the same messages.

  • But as a scientist, she's also studied the way our brains balance pain and pleasure.

  • The two sit on opposite ends of a neural seesaw.

  • and the brain constantly attempts to bring them into equilibrium, or what is known as homeostasis.

  • When we press down hard and often on the pleasure side of the seesaw,

  • triggering bursts of the neurotransmitter dopamine,

  • Ana says the brain automatically compensates by pressing down on the other side,

  • producing a dopamine deficit.

  • Over time, As people press down too much or too often on the pleasure side of the equation,

  • the brain compensates so forcefully that we start to walk around with a chronic dopamine deficit.