ReThinking: Margaret Atwood on what AI can’t replace

重新思考:玛格丽特·阿特伍德论人工智能无法取代的事物

WorkLife with Adam Grant

2025-12-16

42 分钟
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Margaret Atwood is best known as the author of The Handmaid’s Tale, and she’s won a slew of awards for her novels, poetry collections, and children’s books. Now, at the age of 86, she’s written her first memoir, The Book of Lives. In this episode, Adam and Margaret break down her perspective on what creative jobs AI will and won’t threaten and discuss the evidence on the benefits of reading banned books. They also muse about why heroes need monsters and what it means to be delightfully disagreeable. Host & Guest Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Margaret Atwood (Instagram: @therealmargaretatwood | Website: https://margaretatwood.ca/) Links https://margaretatwood.substack.com/ Follow TED!  X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks  Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts For the full text transcript, visit ted.com/podcasts/worklife/worklife-with-adam-grant-transcripts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Margaret Atwood is the author best known for the Handmaid's Tale.

  • She's won a slew of awards for her novels, poetry collections, nonfiction, and children's books.

  • And now, for the first time in 86 years, she's written a memoir, The Book of Lives.

  • It's one of her first books published in the era of AI, which she has quite a few thoughts about.

  • People want to feel they're connecting with another human mind.

  • And if it is AI, they're not connecting with another.

  • human mind they are connecting with an amalgam of other human minds put together we know not how but there isn't a what we use to call a soul behind what you're reading but it's probably quite good at company reports

  • because those don't have souls I'm just sharing this with you.

  • I first got the chance to speak with Margaret a few years ago about procrastination She likened it to going swimming in a very cold lake and said,

  • if you're gonna do it, you gotta just run in screaming.