Hello, and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.
I'm Dori Shafreer.
And I'm Elise Yu, and we are just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.
And this episode features a return Forever 35 guest, someone who was on in May of 2020.
And a very different environment.
Yes.
What a time that was.
And her life has certainly changed a lot since she was last on the show.
And she has a new book about it called Awake.
And we are talking, of course, of Jen Hatmaker.
We had such a great conversation with her.
She is like one of the most charismatic people I think I've ever spoken to.
Yeah.
She's really fascinating.
She was married to a pastor famously kind of got ousted by the evangelical movement.
And she talks about that and really wrestled with her old identity,
what her identity is now, what faith means to her.
We had a great conversation.
So that's all coming up for our big guest interview later in the show.
But first we have some housekeeping notes.