2025-12-13
40 分钟This is Andrew Ross Sorkin, the founder of Dealbook.
Every year, I interview some of the world's most influential leaders across politics,
culture, and business at the Dealbook Summit, a live event in New York City.
On this year's podcast, you'll hear my unfiltered conversations with Gavin Newsom,
the CEO of Palantir and Anthropic, and Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk.
Listen to Dealbook Summit wherever you get your podcasts.
From the New York Times, this is the interview.
I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.
Since the founding of our democracy, there's been a separation of powers.
The Senate in particular was created to act as a stabilizing force with its own important responsibilities.
But after almost a year of the second Trump presidency,
during which time he's pursued an aggressive agenda, the Senate is arguably weaker than ever.
with some critics and senators saying it is abandoning its role in checking presidential power.
So today, I'm having a different kind of conversation than we usually do on the show.
A round table about the state of the Senate with three lawmakers who all decided to leave it.
Jeff Flake, a Republican, represented Arizona and left office in 2019,
warning that the influence of Trumpism on the GOP would be corrosive to his party.
We must never regard as normal the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals.
Joe Manchin represented West Virginia,
first as a Democrat who frequently voted with Republicans and later as a registered independent.