'The Interview': 3 Senators Who Quit on Why Congress Won’t Stand Up to Trump

《采访》:三位辞职参议员揭秘为何国会不敢对抗特朗普

The Daily

2025-12-13

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The current and former lawmakers get candid about bipartisan politics, party leadership and the state of the Senate. Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.comWatch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcastFor transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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