How RFK Jr.’s tumultuous past has shaped his convictions

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  This is In Conversation from Apple News.

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  I'm Shamita Basu.

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  Today, how RFK Jr.

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  became the most powerful man in public health.

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  Earlier this year, journalist Michael Shearer set out to profile Health Secretary Robert F.

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  Kennedy Jr.

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  and Kennedy agreed to sit down with him.

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  And almost literally the first thing he said to me when I walked in the room was,

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  my staff doesn't want me to talk to you.

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  They think this is a mistake.

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  No one in your position ever treats me fairly.

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  And that was sort of the launching point.

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  Michael first wrote about Kennedy back in 2023 when he was at the Washington Post.

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  Kennedy had taken issue with some parts of that coverage.

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  But the two stayed in touch.

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  And for this new story for the Atlantic, Kennedy granted Michael a remarkable level of access.

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  We met, I think, in total for something like seven hours.

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  There are dozens of text messages on my phone going back and forth about particular studies.

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  I traveled with them to Chicago.

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  I mean, it ended up becoming a rather elaborate reporting process.

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