Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Insider.
This week's show is going to be a little different.
Ed Carr and I were in Washington D.C. earlier this week to talk to Steve Bannon,
who as you know is one of the chief architects of the Maga movement.
He's not in the second Trump administration,
but he is still a man helping to shape where Mr. Trump is taking America.
I need hardly tell you that our worldviews are pretty different.
But nonetheless, I found the conversation fascinating and terrifying in almost equal measure.
Mr. Bannon lurches from sophisticated analysis and thoughtful reflection to conspiracy and falsehood,
with his responses often contradicting one another.
So that left us two options:
to interrupt constantly, fighting over each extreme or unfounded assertion,
whether about January the 6th or the supposed responsibility of the American left for political violence,
or we could try and have a conversation to draw out his worldview.
We chose the latter course because whether we liberals like it or not,
the broad ideas that Mr. Bannon champions are a powerful driver of the direction America's going in.
And they've also galvanized populist nationalist movements here in Europe, many of which are now close to power.
In yesterday's Insider newsletter, I asked you whether you agreed with Mr. Bannon about Trump 2028.
More than 7,000 of you voted.
Let's take a look at the results.