Oh, hey,
it's your old roommate who always found the best furniture on the side of the road alley ward.
Did you know that you love ferns?
Not yet.
Sit tight.
You're about to.
I'm going to tell you one person who loves ferns.
It's this guest.
In fact,
I first saw thisologist in this quick video about ferns and they were wearing a shirt that said,
I heart ferns, but the heart was a fern gameta fight.
You're going to find out everything about that later.
And they said that ferns were fantastic.
This isn't the first.
five seconds of the video and I was like...
they're on.
And they wrote the 2025 book Ferns, Lessons in Survival from the Earth's Most Adaptable Plants.
And they're an associate professor at Cornell's Boyce Thompson Institute.
They got their PhD in Ferns at Duke University, where they're also a scholar in residence.
And we'll talk about their stories and their history and their deep love of Ferns in a moment.