'The Interview': Simon Cowell Is Sorry, Softer and Grieving Liam Payne

《面试》:西蒙·考威尔道歉,李安·佩恩更加柔和且悲伤

The Daily

2025-11-29

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The competition-TV judge changed the music industry. Now he says he’s changed too. Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.comWatch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcastFor transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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  • I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

  • I don't know quite what I was expecting when I walked into Simon Cowell's home in southwest London,

  • but I was greeted by endless cups of tea, a warm welcome from his longtime partner,

  • Lauren, and his 11-year-old son, Eric.

  • Cowell was also pretty charming.

  • What I discovered was that the king of mean who shaped American TV culture and changed the music industry is definitely in his cozy era.

  • Cal knows he's mellowed.

  • Part of that is age, he's 66,

  • but he's also suffered the loss of his parents, become a father, gone to therapy,

  • and more recently he's grappled with the death of Liam Payne,

  • whom he discovered on X Factor and cast in the mega-famous boy band One Direction,

  • which we talked about at length.

  • Now, Cowell is looking for his next hit.