Did globalisation kill neoliberalism? With Branko Milanović

全球化是否终结了新自由主义?与布兰科·米洛诺维奇一起探讨。

The Economics Show

2025-11-21

32 分钟
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Thirty-five years ago, the global economy could be neatly divided into market economies, socialist economies and poorer non-aligned countries. Today, that picture is rather more complicated. Western-style neoliberalism – expected to become the dominant economic system after the end of the cold war – is in retreat; socialism is no more; China has emerged as a global superpower; and formerly-poor countries in the global south are rising rapidly – all while neoliberalism itself becomes, well… less liberal. If neoliberalism is on the way out, what will replace it? And what does the rise of Asia mean for western consumers who find their spending power dwindling? The FT’s European economics commentator, Martin Sandbu, speaks to Branko Milanović, senior scholar at the Stone Center on Socio-Economic Inequality at the City University of New York, and a visiting professor at the International Inequalities Institute at the LSE. Further Reading Globalisation: Where on the elephant are you? (BBC) Branko Milanovic: ‘The forces of self-interest and technology cannot be undone’ The economic losers are in revolt against the elites   Martin Sandbu is the Financial Times's European economics commentator. You can find his articles here: https://www.ft.com/martin-sandbu Subscribe to The Economics Show on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen.  To sign up for free to the new FT Alphaville newsletter on substack, go to ftav.substack.com Presented by Martin Sandbu. Produced by Mischa Frankl-Duval and Lulu Smyth. Manuela Saragosa is the executive producer. Original music and sound design by Breen Turner. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Until 1989, comparing economic systems across the world was relatively simple.

  • You had market democracies of the West, the socialist economies of the Soviet bloc,

  • China and satellite countries,

  • and finally the large number of poor-to-middle-income non-aligned countries.

  • How you described and how you evaluated these systems,

  • let alone the interaction between them, depended quite profoundly on your political perspective.

  • But a lot has changed since then.

  • The Old West has become less economically dominant and less liberal.

  • Soviet central planning collapsed and previously socialist countries have turned to various forms of capitalism.

  • Many formerly poor countries in what is now called the Global South have grown rapidly.

  • And then, of course, there's China.

  • If the past global economic order has disappeared and the present is not the victory of Western market liberalism that we expected,

  • what global economic system are we going to end up with in the future?

  • I'm Martin Sandbu,

  • the FT's European Economics commentator and author of the free lunch newsletter on global economic policy.

  • And to answer my questions, I'm speaking to Branko Milanovic.

  • Milanovic is a senior scholar at the Stone Center on socioeconomic inequality at the City University of New York and a visiting professor at the International Inequalities Institute at the LSE.

  • He was formerly a World Bank economist and has authored several books.

  • The newest of which has just come out.

  • It is called the Great Global Transformation, National Market Liberalism in a Multipolar World.