How To Lose Your Country, with Ece Temelkuran (Part Two)

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  Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.

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  I'm producer Mia Sorrenti.

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  For this episode,

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  we're rejoining for part two of our recent live event with political thinker and writer Eche Temelkurin.

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  Temelkurin joined columnist and podcaster Coco Khan recently at the Kiln Theatre to discuss how the world's democracies are sleepwalking into authoritarianism.

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  and how we might be able to defend democracy and learn the lessons of resistance from across the globe.

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  If you haven't heard part one, do just jump back an episode to get up to speed.

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  But now let's rejoin the conversation live at the Kiln Theatre in London.

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  Well, I mean, with my former arts journalist head on, like,

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  there is a reason why there's so much great art around moments of crisis, you know, that...

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  That sense of human experience and sharing it and looking into the heart and soul of someone who is not like you and yearning to be together in that moment creates this incredible thing.

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  I don't know if that's enough of a silver lining for the impending doom to Britain,

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  for me personally.

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  But I wish I was trying to find some more.

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  I wanted to talk to you about,

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  and I'm sorry to keep returning to this question about why the word fascism really scares people.

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  But in the book,

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  you outline quite methodically the things that happen in the slide to a dictatorship.

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  And as you said,

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  perhaps it will be a leader that is palatable but populist and then you know the next one comes in and so right now in the UK there is a raging conversation about

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