The little-known official quietly driving Trump’s second term

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  This is in conversation from Apple News.

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  I'm Shemit Sebastu.

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  Today, how one man is quietly reshaping the federal government.

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  Late last year,

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  Investigative news outlet ProPublica published a video of a private speech given by a former Trump official in 2020 describing his goal of defunding and shrinking federal agencies.

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  We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected.

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  The person speaking was Russell Vogt, Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget, omb.

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  In the first administration, when they wake.

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  Up in the morning,

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  we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains.

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  We want to put them in trauma.

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  Today,

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  Vogt is back in charge of OMB and one of the most influential figures in the current Trump admin.

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  He's been at the center of moves to dismantle agencies like USAID and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and has encouraged sweeping layoffs across the government.

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  When ProPublica reporter Andy Kroll first came across that recording a year ago,

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  it made a lasting impression on him.

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  It got me thinking, why does this guy want to traumatize federal workers?

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  The kinds of people that he worked with for four years when he was in the first administration?

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  And this just really stuck with me in a way that I thought, I gotta keep reporting on this person.

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  Andy has just come out with a profile of Vote called the Shadow President.

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