If you find yourself bewildered by this moment where there's so much reason for despair and so much reason to hope all at the same time,
let me say I hear you.
I'm Ezra Klein from New York Times Opinion, host of the Ezra Klein Show.
And for me,
the best way to beat back that bewildered feeling is to talk it out with the people who have ideas and frameworks
for making sense of it.
There is going to be plenty to talk about.
You can find the Ezra Klein Show wherever you get your podcasts.
From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.
As wildfire seasons grow longer and deadlier,
states are increasingly relying on private companies to provide thousands of firefighters to the front lines.
Today,
my colleague Hannah Dreyer explains how lax rules and regulatory loopholes have left many of these firefighters sick,
in debt and on their own.
It's Tuesday, October 28th.
Hannah,
it feels like every year there are more and more wildfires and you have spent months investigating one specific aspect of wildfires,
which is the wildfire fighting industry.
So I'd love to start off with you telling us what got you interested in that particular angle.
I first started thinking about this after the fires that tore through Los Angeles in January.