Do you ever find yourself screaming at the decisions made during a sports match?
Well, if you're a big sports fan,
you'll know just how high tensions can get in the middle of a game.
And at the heart of all of that intense emotion are the referees calling the shots.
I'm Dashiani Navaniagam and welcome to The Conversation from the BBC World Service.
This is the programme which puts women in the spotlight and allows us to hear the most marvellous stories and insights from women around the world.
Today we go behind the officiating scenes of the sports world to talk to two female referees operating at some of the highest levels of women and men's sports.
I'm joined by Danish football referee Frida Klarland.
who has refereed at the Women's Champions League, World Cup qualifiers,
Women's Euros and in 2021 became the first woman to referee in the men's second division.
And Austrian ice hockey referee Julia Kainberger.
She was one of the 12 European officials for the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics,
as well as the first ever female referee in the Men's Champions Hockey League.
Frieda and Julia, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
Is your refereeing personality similar to your actual personality?
Does it change between different matches, Frida?
Yes, it does.
It also changes between the decisions as well.
Because if we have a promising attack, it's just a clear yellow card, no problem.