'The Interview': Jimmy Wales Thinks the World Should Be More Like Wikipedia

《面试》:吉米·威尔士认为世界应该更像维基百科

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2025-10-18

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  • I'm Wesley Morris, I'm a critic for the New York Times,

  • and I'm the host of a podcast called Cannonball.

  • We're gonna talk about that song you can't get out of your head,

  • that TV show you watched and can't stop thinking about,

  • and the movie that you saw when you were a kid that made you who you are,

  • whether you like it or not.

  • I was so embarrassed the whole time because it's a bad film and I still love it.

  • You can find Cannonball on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts.

  • From the New York Times, this is The Interview.

  • I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

  • As one of the most popular websites in the world,

  • Wikipedia helps define our common understanding of just about everything.

  • But recently, the site has gone from public utility to a favorite target of Elon Musk,

  • congressional Republicans, and MAGA influencers, who all claim that Wikipedia is biased.

  • In many ways,

  • those debates over Wikipedia are a microcosm of bigger discussions we're having right now about consensus,

  • civil disagreement, shared reality, truth, facts, all those little easy topics.

  • A bit of history.

  • Wikipedia was founded back in the Paleolithic era of the Internet in 2001 by Larry Sanger and Jimmy Wales.

  • It was always operated as a non-profit and it employs a decentralized system of editing by volunteers,