Why Does It Feel Like Everything is Getting Worse?

为什么我们的APP,都慢慢变成了“屎山”?

Intelligence Squared

2025-10-17

39 分钟
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How can we reverse the enshittification of digital platforms? With Cory Doctorow Why does every online platform seem to start out great - then slowly turn to garbage? Why do our digital public squares now feel more like corporate malls... or burning trash heaps?  ‘Enshittification’ has been word of the year in the UK, USA and Australia. It's been printed in the pages of the FT and declaimed from podiums at the EU. As a word, it captures the feeling of a world that is ever worsening.  Cory Doctorow, the tech and ethics writer who coined the term, argues that enshittification is not a technical glitch, but a technique that every platform - from X to TikTok, Amazon to Apple, has adopted on purpose to maximise profit at the expense of user experience.  In this episode, Doctorow joins Carl Miller to break down what this relentless downward spiral means for democracy, privacy, creativity, and trust, and what can be done to reverse it. Doctorow offers a roadmap for reclaiming a better digital future. From breaking monopolies and restoring interoperability to empowering tech workers and enforcing real regulation, this is a conversation about what's broken, and how we can fix it. If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Welcome to Intelligence Squared Work Rate Minds Meet.

  • I’m Head of Programming, Connor Boyle.

  • In this episode, we’re joined by author and journalist Cory Doctorow

  • to discuss the concept of enshittification.

  • According to Doctorow, enshittification captures that feeling of a world that is ever worsening.

  • And he believes this feeling isn't just an accident, but built into the design of digital platforms.

  • He spoke to journalist, researcher, and host of the award-winning podcast Kill List, Carl Miller.

  • Let’s join Carl now with more.

  • Corey, very warm welcome to you.

  • Thank you very much, pleasure to be here.

  • I don't think there's any other book I've ever seen that needs to start with a word,

  • a single word as much as this one.

  • The word enshittification itself, Corey.

  • This is your coinage, isn't it?

  • I coined it in 2022.

  • People who have gone through Twitter have found other people who used it before me,

  • but in other words, it’s been independently coined more than once.

  • But it was something about my coinage that actually made the difference

  • and I have some theories about that.

  • What are those theories?