George Selgin on the New Deal, Regime Uncertainty, and What Really Ended the Great Depression

乔治·塞尔金论新政、制度不确定性以及真正结束大萧条的因素

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2025-10-15

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George Selgin has spent over four decades thinking about money, banking, and economic history, and Tyler has known him for nearly all of it. Selgin's new book False Dawn: The New Deal and the Promise of Recovery, 1933–1947 examines what the New Deal actually accomplished—and failed to accomplish—in confronting the Great Depression.  Tyler and George discuss the surprising lack of fiscal and monetary stimulus in the New Deal, whether revaluing gold was really the best path to economic reflation, how much Glass-Steagall and other individual parts of the New Deal mattered, Keynes’ "very sound" advice to Roosevelt, why Hayek's analysis fell short, whether America would've done better with a more concentrated banking sector, how well the quantity theory of money holds up, his vision for a "night watchman" Fed, how many countries should dollarize, whether stablecoins should be allowed to pay interest, his stake in a fractional-reserve Andalusian donkey ownership scheme, why his Spanish vocabulary is particularly strong on plumbing, his ambivalence about the eurozone, what really got America out of the Great Depression, and more. Read a full transcript enhanced with helpful links, or watch the full video on the new dedicated Conversations with Tyler channel. Recorded September 26th, 2025. Other ways to connect Follow us on X and Instagram Follow Tyler on X Follow George on X Sign up for our newsletter Join our Discord Email us: cowenconvos@mercatus.gmu.edu Learn more about Conversations with Tyler and other Mercatus Center podcasts here. Photo Credit: Richie Downs
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  • Hello everyone.

  • Today I'm chatting with George Selgen.

  • This is an episode of Conversations with Tyler, but we're holding it at the Cato Institute.

  • George has worked for Cato.

  • I'm a longtime associate.

  • I'm still on their advisory board.

  • I thank Cato, our host, and we're both honored to be here.

  • I've known George well over 40 years, which I find stunning.

  • I first learned of him through his work on free banking,

  • and he was at NYU as a grad student, and I live nearby.

  • He and I have had fruitful discussions for a long time, but we've never taped anything.

  • He has a new book out called False Dawn, The New Deal and the Promise of Recovery. 1933 to 1947,

  • it is the best book on its topic and I am proud to announce I have read all of George's books and they are all definitely worth reading.

  • George, welcome.

  • Thank you, Tyler.