2025-10-15
38 分钟Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.
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For this episode,
we're rejoining for part two of our recent live event with historian Tim Buvery and Michael Gove.
In September,
Buvery and Gove came to the Intelligence Squared stage to discuss the state of the West today and the lessons we can take from World War II.
They discussed Bouverge's new book, Allies at War,
the Politics of Defeating Hitler, exploring how Roosevelt,
Churchill and Stalin all overcame ideological differences and strategic rivalries to form a fragile but ultimately victorious alliance against Nazi Germany.
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And of course, America was supporting Chiang Kai-shek, the nationalist Chinese leader at the time.
And Roosevelt was very attached to him and to his cause.
Why did he, why did China loom so large in American thinking?
China was seen by America as a fellow anti-colonial power that it wasn't totally colonized by the British as India was ruled directly,
although all sorts of European powers and America had special extraterritorial rights.
If you had your own enclaves where you could be tried in your own courts,
you had special commercial rights.