2025-10-15
40 分钟Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner.
Given the heated nature of our national conversation these days,
I have been thinking about an interview I did in 2021.
So I went back and listened and I thought you might like to hear it too,
whether again or for the first time.
Facts and figures have been updated, but do keep in mind this conversation was recorded in 2021.
As always, thanks for listening and let us know what you think.
Our email is radio at Freakonomics.com.
I have a question that I'm afraid is going to sound rude no matter how I put it.
It's okay.
It's okay.
So my reading of your second to last book, The Conservative Heart,
was that it was written to help pave the way for the right kind of Republican presidential candidate in 2016,
maybe a Jeb Bush type or whatnot.
Is that roughly right?
Yeah, it was my entrant into the ideological sweepstakes of 2016.
It's debate night for the Republicans and we're just.
And I lost.
This is a tough business.
Oh, I know you're a tough guy.