What happens when MAHA and public-health experts talk to one another?

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  This is In Conversation from Apple News.

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  I'm Shamita Vasu.

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  Today, can MAHA and public health meet in the middle?

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  American's faith in health institutions is eroding.

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  Polling from earlier this year shows that trust in agencies like the FDA,

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  CDC, and even local health departments has dropped.

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  The decline that began during the COVID-19 pandemic and has continued ever since.

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  We can have the tools, we can have the expertise, but it doesn't matter if people don't trust it.

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  That's Maggie Bartlett.

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  She's a virologist and public health researcher at Johns Hopkins.

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  Last year, she and Brenda Atacari, a long-time journalist,

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  along with two other hosts, launched a podcast called Why Should I Trust You?

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  The show brings on guests who feel deeply disillusioned with the health establishment,

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  members of the Make America Healthy Again or MAHA movement,

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  alongside public health experts and officials.

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  The idea is for them to talk about how trust can be rebuilt and what it'll take to strengthen America's health care system.

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  Here's Brenda.

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  In order to leave one echo chamber or like kind of cross pollinate between echo chambers,

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  you really have to talk to people from diverse perspectives and not just talk but like give them a seat at the table and make them feel absolutely heard.

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  Since launching in January,

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