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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Conversations with Tyler.
Today I'm chatting with Ezra Klein, who needs no introduction.
And when I say that, in fact, I do not introduce the person.
Ezra has a new book out with Derek Thompson called Abundance.
This is one of the best and most important books of the year.
Ezra, welcome.
Always thrilled to be here, Tyler.
Your last book and indeed our last conversation was on political polarization.
How do the abundance agenda and political polarization interact?
it is an effort to recut the line of polarization.
So you and I used to debate this.
You said for a while you thought polarization was going down.
Do you still think that?
Do you think it has gone down?
I think it has more dimensions than ever before.