Michael Wolff on chaos, power and America’s reckoning

迈克尔·沃尔夫论混乱、权力及美国的清算

Meet the Writers

2025-09-21

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Journalist Michael Wolff joins Georgina Godwin to discuss his career and his perception of Donald Trump, leading to his ‘Fire and Fury’ series. Plus: he shares his view on the political landscape in the media. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Hello and welcome to Meet the Writers.

  • I'm Georgina Godwin.

  • My guest today is one of the most talked about chroniclers of Donald Trump.

  • His quartet of books, Fire and Fury, Siege, Landslide and All or Nothing, have shaped how the world understands Trump's presidency, his collapse and his rather improbable return.

  • Known for his sharp eye and for stories that insiders can't stop reading and can't always deny, he's charted the chaos of Trump world like nobody else.

  • And today we'll hear about that extraordinary body of work and what it means for America, politics, media and the world.

  • Vika Wolf, welcome to Meet the Writers.

  • Thanks for having me.

  • I wondered if we could just start with your early years in journalism.

  • What first drew you to it, and what sort of writer did you think you'd become back then?

  • Well, I thought I would become a novelist, and I still hope someday I'll write a novel.

  • That has not happened yet.

  • But I was drawn, I just don't think I had any other, I just never crossed my mind to do anything else.

  • I mean, my mother was a newspaper reporter.

  • And I went to work for the New York Times when I went to Columbia.

  • So I guess, I mean, my third year at Columbia, I wrote the New York Times a letter.

  • I just said, you know... I don't know what it said, didn't say very much.

  • And I thought this is, one had to do this because if you didn't do this, well, you weren't doing anything, and one was safe because you weren't gonna get a job at the New York Times for writing a letter, but 24 hours after I wrote this letter, they called me up and they said, when can you start?

  • And I guess at that moment they were having trouble filling the spots of people at the absolute bottom of the newsroom, which is where I started in, which was just a terrible, terrible, terrible job, mostly involving getting hot dogs for people.

  • And you had to go out into Times Square, which was at that time a kind of fraud experience.