The Fired C.D.C. Director Testifies

被解职的疾控中心(CDC)主任作证

The Daily

2025-09-18

29 分钟

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For weeks, fights have been escalating between top scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the health secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., culminating in his accusation that the agency’s top official, Dr. Susan Monarez, was untrustworthy. Dr. Monarez went before a Senate committee on Wednesday to give her side of the story. Sheryl Gay Stolberg, who covers health policy for The New York Times, discusses the testimony and the rift that the hearing exposed within the Republican Party over how far to go to support Mr. Kennedy and his vaccine agenda. Guest: Sheryl Gay Stolberg, a correspondent based in Washington who covers health policy for The Times. Background reading:  The fired C.D.C. director described clashes with Mr. Kennedy and turmoil at the agency.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.  Photo: Kenny Holston/The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
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  • For weeks, fights have been escalating between the CDC's top scientists and the health secretary,

  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,

  • culminating in his accusation that the agency's top official was untrustworthy and a liar.

  • On Wednesday, that official, Susan Menárez, went before Congress to give her side of the story.

  • My colleague Cheryl Gay Stolberg unpacks that testimony and the rift that the hearing exposed within the Republican Party over how far they will go to back Kennedy and his vaccine agenda.

  • It's Thursday, September 18th.

  • Cheryl, thank you so much for making time for us.

  • It was obviously a very busy day for you watching this hearing,

  • which we were all glued to, so we really appreciate it.

  • Thanks for having me.

  • So on the show, we have been covering the chaos of the CDC because in just a span of a few weeks,

  • The head of the agency was fired, several high-ranking officials quit in protest,

  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the head of Health and Human Services, which obviously oversees the CDC,

  • he had to answer for a lot of this in front of the Senate last week,