#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

#827:帕布洛斯·霍尔曼——我遇到过的最可怕的黑客之一

The Tim Ferriss Show

2025-09-17

2 小时 31 分钟
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Pablos Holman is a hacker and inventor and the author of Deep Future: Creating Technology that Matters, the indispensable guide to deep tech. Previously, Pablos worked on spaceships at Blue Origin and helped build The Intellectual Ventures Lab to invent a wide variety of breakthroughs. Pablos also hosts the Deep Future Podcast and is managing partner at Deep Future. This episode is brought to you by: Cresset prestigious family office for CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs: https://cressetcapital.com/tim Maui Nui Venison​, delicious, nutrient-dense, and responsible red meat: https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/tim AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://drinkag1.com/tim Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:12 The hacker mindset 33:05 Nuclear 52:35 Autonomous ships 58:48 Pragmatic optimism 01:00:29 Risk tolerance 01:04:50 Blue Origin 01:11:59 Zero Effect philosophy 01:34:43 China 01:43:07 Taiwan 01:45:04 AI 01:50:42 Salsa 02:08:44 Deep tech investing * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss Past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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  • Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs.

  • This is Tim Ferriss.

  • Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show,

  • where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out how they do what they do.

  • My guest today terrified me so much when I first saw him in person, Pablo's Holman,

  • that I effectively avoided him for 15 years, although we've crossed paths and now we are friendly.

  • But I saw him stealing a few dozen credit card numbers from people on the front row of an event using hacking technology.

  • And I thought, you know what, maybe I should just keep my distance.

  • Pablo Solman is a hacker and inventor and the bestselling author of Deep Future,

  • creating technology that matters.

  • The indispensable guide to deep tech.

  • And we'll talk all about what that means previously.

  • Pablo's worked on spaceships at Blue Origin, you know, that thing by Jeff Bezos,

  • may have heard of him,

  • and helped build the Intellectual Ventures Lab to invent a wide variety of breakthroughs,

  • including a brain surgery tool, a machine to suppress hurricanes, 3D food printers,

  • and a laser that can shoot down mosquitoes,

  • part of an impact invention effort to eradicate malaria with Bill Gates.

  • Pablo's hosts the Deep Future podcast,

  • and his TED Talks have been viewed more than 30 million times.