646. An Air Traffic Controller Walks Into a Radio Studio ...

646. 一名空中交通管制员走进广播电台……

Freakonomics Radio

2025-09-12

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What does it take to “play 3D chess at 250 miles an hour”? And how far will $12.5 billion of “Big, Beautiful” funding go toward modernizing the F.A.A.? (Part two of a two-part series.)   SOURCES:David Strayer, professor of cognition and neural science at the University of Utah.Dorothy Robyn, senior fellow at I.T.I.F.Ed Bastian, C.E.O. of Delta Airlines.Ed Bolen, president and C.E.O. of the National Business Aviation Association.John Strong, professor of finance and economics at the William and Mary School of Business.Kenneth Levin, retired air traffic controller.Olivia Grace, former product manager at Slack.Polly Trottenberg, former deputy secretary of the U.S. Department of Transportation.  RESOURCES:“An Air Traffic Controller Speaks Out About Newark Airport,” by The Journal (2025)."Why Did Air Traffic Control Reform Efforts Fail (Again)?" by Jeff Davis (Eno Center for Transportation, 2023)."Supertaskers: Profiles in extraordinary multitasking ability," by Jason Watson and David Strayer (Psychonomic Bulletin & Review, 2021).Managing the Skies: Public Policy, Organization, and Financing of Air Traffic Management, by John Strong and Clinton Oster (2016).  EXTRAS:"Multitasking Doesn't Work. So Why Do We Keep Trying?" by Freakonomics Radio (2024).
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  • Imagine there is a big government agency that is in charge of regulating a particular industry,

  • but is also an employer within that industry and is essentially a business partner.

  • That would describe the Federal Aviation Administration.

  • Is it possible for the FAA to serve all those functions,

  • including its all-important air traffic control function?

  • Is it possible to maintain its high safety standards with an aging infrastructure?

  • and with a funding stream that's tied to Congress?

  • Those are some of the questions we asked on last week's episode and this week we are back at it with part two and even more questions.

  • We also wanted to hear from the humans who do the actual work of air traffic control.

  • As you may remember from last week,

  • the series was inspired by a recently retired controller named Kenneth Levin who sent us an email a few months ago.

  • We wrote back and eventually we called him up.

  • Yeah, it's Stevens that Kenneth it is.

  • This is Ken.

  • Hey Ken.

  • Nice to meet you Steven.

  • Nice to meet you.

  • Thanks for writing Oh man, you know, I can't believe I'm talking to you.

  • I love the podcast.

  • I love what you guys do and Just can't believe we're sitting here man.