Brené Brown Doesn’t Want to Be a Self-Help Guru Anymore

布伦·布朗不再想成为自我帮助大师了。

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2025-09-06

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The author and podcaster wants to apply her old ideas about vulnerability and empathy to the workplace. Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.comWatch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcastFor transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview
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  • That the Olympics will be on home turf is definitely tempting, Biles admits.

  • But the most decorated gymnast in history has already achieved more than her wildest dreams and hopes to start a family one day.

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  • From the New York Times, this is the interview.

  • I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

  • Most academics do not become global celebrities.

  • But in 2010, Brene Brown, a longtime professor of social work at the University of Houston,

  • gave a TEDx talk about her research on shame,

  • empathy, and courage called The Power of Vulnerability.

  • In it, she made the case for why people should get comfortable with being uncomfortable,

  • and it turned her life upside down.

  • 15 years later, that TED Talk is still one of the most viewed ever,

  • and Brown has become a kind of guru for millions of people all over the world,

  • who devotedly follow her writings, podcasts, and TV specials.

  • That's not always a role she's comfortable in, as she and I discussed.

  • In recent years, Brown has turned her focus to corporate settings.

  • She runs a consulting practice where she works with CEOs,

  • and she's written a new book about leadership called Strong Ground.