Meet Derek Fordjour – One of My Favorite People

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  How do you know when something's finished?

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  I think there's a creeping feeling that you get where you're like, I'm not making this better.

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  You know, it's kind of like when you're in a barber's chair,

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  like the longer you're there, this guy can only remove hair.

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  Do you know what I'm saying?

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  Yeah, exactly.

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  You shouldn't be there too long.

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  It's like a moment that if you're like, it's been a while.

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  You want to look for a mirror.

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  So it's diminishing returns in a way.

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  Yeah, like there's a point where you're like, if I stay in this, it's not going to get better.

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  I'm sure you like write a joke and you're like, that's too many words.

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  I did too much to get there.

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  You know, it's enough.

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  Leave it.

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  There's like an instinct, right?

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  Yeah, mine I think is more, do I still feel this way?

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  Yeah, that's the same thing.

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  Yeah, that's more mine.

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  My guest on today's podcast is someone I'm lucky enough to call a friend and a human being who has achieved one of the hardest things in the world,

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