Niall Ferguson and Dexter Filkins: Who Will Win the Israel-Iran War?

尼尔·弗格森与德克斯特·菲尔金斯:谁将赢得以伊战争?

Honestly with Bari Weiss

2025-06-17

1 小时 7 分钟
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It’s the fourth day in the war between Iran and Israel. Many questions hang in the air. Chief among them: Will Israel be able to fulfill its main goal in the war—to end Iran’s nuclear program? Will it put troops on the ground to do so, specifically to blow up Iran’s most important nuclear site? Or will the U.S. get involved? Will Trump provide the bunker-busting bombs necessary to destroy the facility at Fordow? Will the regime fall—and if so, what will come next? How does this struggle fit into the much, much larger geopolitical conflict between the U.S. and China? So today, I have two experts to break it all down: Niall Ferguson and Dexter Filkins. Niall Ferguson is a historian and Free Press columnist who just wrote in our pages, “Israel’s attack restores the credibility of the West.” Dexter Filkins is a longtime foreign correspondent who has reported from Iran. He is a contributor at The New Yorker, has covered this topic for years, and is the author of The Forever War. Visit clearme.com/honestly for two months free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • From the Free Press, this is Honestly and I'm Barry Weiss.

  • As I record, it is the fourth day in the ongoing escalating war between Iran and Israel.

  • Many major questions hang in the air today.

  • Chief among them, will Israel be able to fulfill its stated goal of the war,

  • which is to end Iran's nuclear program?

  • How far will it be willing to go to do so?

  • Will it put troops on the ground?

  • In order to blow up Iran's nuclear crown jewel at Fordow?

  • Or will the U.S. get involved?

  • Will Trump provide the bunker-busting bombs necessary to blow up that key facility?

  • Other questions.

  • Will the regime fall?

  • Will Israel take out Supreme Leader Khamenei?

  • And if so, what will come next?

  • And how does this war fit into the much,

  • much larger geopolitical conflict between America and China?

  • So today, I have two experts to break it all down, Neil Ferguson and Dexter Filkins.

  • Neil Ferguson, of course,

  • is a historian and a free press columnist who just wrote a piece in our pages called Israel's Attack Restores the Credibility of the West.

  • Neil is the author of more than 16 books, including The Pity of War,