'The Interview': Jen Hatmaker's Life Exploded in Middle Age. So She Built a Better One.

《访谈录》:詹·哈特梅克在中年时期的人生经历爆炸,因此她打造了一个更好的未来。

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2025-08-23

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  • Thank you. From the New York Times, this is The Interview.

  • I'm David Marchese.

  • What happens when you reach middle age, and the very things that sustained you,

  • that gave you structure and identity, that made you you, are gone.

  • That kind of supercharged middle-age crisis is precisely what happened to Jen Hatmaker.

  • Twice.

  • Hatmaker, who's 51 years old, had built a career as a Christian women's influencer,

  • best-selling author, and TV personality.

  • But about a decade ago,

  • she went through a very public shift away from some of her more conservative stances,

  • a shift that alienated a big part of her audience and forced her to find a new one.

  • Then in 2020, Hatmaker discovered that her husband of 26 years was cheating on her.

  • They divorced soon after, and for the second time,

  • she had to pick up the broken pieces of her past life and start all over.

  • Her upcoming book, Awake, a memoir, which will be published next month,

  • Mark's the first time she's gone into detail publicly about that painful,

  • heartbreaking, but ultimately hopeful process.

  • Here's my conversation with Jen Hatmaker.

  • Hi, Jen.

  • Good morning.