What Can Whales Teach Us About Clean Energy, Workplace Harmony, and Living the Good Life? (Update)

鲸鱼能教给我们关于清洁能源、职场和谐以及过上美好生活之道吗?(更新)

Freakonomics Radio

2025-08-22

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In the final episode of our whale series, we learn about fecal plumes, shipping noise, and why Moby-Dick is still worth reading. (Part 3 of "Everything You Never Knew About Whaling.")   SOURCES:Michele Baggio, professor of economics at the University of Connecticut.Mary K. Bercaw-Edwards, professor of maritime English at the University of Connecticut and lead foreman at the Mystic Seaport Museum.Hester Blum, professor of English at The Pennsylvania State University.Eric Hilt, professor of economics at Wellesley College.Kate O’Connell, senior policy consultant for the marine life program at the Animal Welfare Institute.Maria Petrillo, director of interpretation at the Mystic Seaport Museum.Joe Roman, fellow and writer-in-residence at the Gund Institute for Environment, University of Vermont.  RESOURCES:Eat, Poop, Die: How Animals Make Our World, by Joe Roman (2023).“Racial Diversity and Team Performance: Evidence from the American Offshore Whaling Industry,” by Michele Baggio and Metin M. Cosgel (S.S.R.N., 2023).“Why 23 Dead Whales Have Washed Up on the East Coast Since December,” by Tracey Tully and Winston Choi-Schagrin (The New York Times, 2023).“Suspected Russia-Trained Spy Whale Reappears Off Sweden’s Coast,” by A.F.P. in Stockholm (The Guardian, 2023).“International Trade, Noise Pollution, and Killer Whales,” by M. Scott Taylor and Fruzsina Mayer (N.B.E.R. Working Paper, 2023).“World-First Map Exposes Growing Dangers Along Whale Superhighways,” by the World Wildlife Fund (2022).“Lifting Baselines to Address the Consequences of Conservation Success,” by Joe Roman, Meagan M. Dunphy-Daly, David W. Johnston, and Andrew J. Read (Trends in Ecology & Evolution, 2015).“Wages, Risk, and Profits in the Whaling Industry,” by Elmo P. Hohman (The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 1926).Moby-Dick, by Herman Melville (1851).  EXTRAS:“Why Do People Still Hunt Whales? (Update)” by Freakonomics Radio (2025).“How Much Does Discrimination Hurt the Economy?” by Freakonomics Radio (2021).
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  • Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner.

  • You are about to hear the third episode in our three-part series on the economics of whaling,

  • which we first published in 2023.

  • We will also publish a bonus episode featuring a conversation with a Norwegian whaler about what it's like to hunt whales today.

  • We have updated facts and figures when necessary.

  • As always, thanks for listening.

  • How many times have you read Moby Dick?

  • 50 is probably reasonable.

  • I'm 50 years old.

  • I read Moby Dick for the first time at the age of 17.

  • What was your impression on your first reading at 17 years old?

  • Well, that was the launch event of really my whole life.

  • Your life, not just your academic career, your life.

  • It's pretty central to my life.

  • I mean, I have a tattoo of a historic harpoon on my arm.

  • It's been pretty formative.

  • Part of that was out of the kind of perversity of the kid who wanted to love the book that all of my classmates were groaning about having to read.

  • I could not believe the book.

  • If it were not for Moby Dick, Wailing would be one of a series of interests.

  • But because Moby Dick has loomed so large.