Is there a way countries could defy Trump's tariffs?

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  And welcome to Business Matters.

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  I'm Roger Hearing.

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  On the programme today, as the new US tariffs begin to bite,

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  is there a way for the countries that face the highest charges to defy Donald Trump?

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  Also, how steelmaking is going green in Sweden?

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  And how good is the latest AI app, GPT-5?

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  Plus, the strange case of the fluffy toys and the million-dollar lawsuit.

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  And I'll be joined throughout the programme by two guests on opposite sides of the world.

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  Alison Van Diggelen, host of the Green Interview series,

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  Fresh Dialogues, who's joining us from Silicon Valley.

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  Alison, a very good evening to you.

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  Good evening, Roger.

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  Always good to be with you.

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