The First Great American Industry (Update)

美国第一次伟大工业(更新)

Freakonomics Radio

2025-08-08

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Whaling was, in the words of one scholar, “early capitalism unleashed on the high seas.” How did the U.S. come to dominate the whale market? Why did whale hunting die out here — and continue to grow elsewhere? And is that whale vomit in your perfume? (Part 1 of “Everything You Never Knew About Whaling.”)   SOURCES:Eric Hilt, professor of economics at Wellesley College.Nathaniel Philbrick, writer and historian.Paul Watson, environmental activist and founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society.  RESOURCES:“Calls From the Deep: Do We Need to Save the Whales All Over Again?” by Sophy Grimshaw (The Guardian, 2020).“The Very Small World of V.C.,” by Avi Asher-Schapiro (The New Republic, 2019).“How Nantucket Came to Be the Whaling Capital of the World,” by Nathaniel Philbrick (Smithsonian Magazine, 2015).“Fin-tech,” (The Economist, 2015).“The Spectacular Rise and Fall of U.S. Whaling: An Innovation Story,” by Derek Thompson (The Atlantic, 2012).Leviathan: The History of Whaling in America, by Eric Jay Dolin (2007).“Incentives in Corporations: Evidence from the American Whaling Industry,” by Eric Hilt (NBER Working Papers, 2004).In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex, by Nathaniel Philbrick (2000).“Productivity in American Whaling: The new Bedford Fleet in the Nineteenth Century,” by Lance Davis, Robert Galiman, and Teresa Hutchins (NBER Working Paper, 1987).  EXTRAS:“Is Venture Capital the Secret Sauce of the American Economy?” by Freakonomics Radio (2021).“Is the Future of Farming in the Ocean?” by Freakonomics Radio (2021).
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  • Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner.

  • We are taking a little summer break.

  • Maybe you are too.

  • So we wanted to play you a series from the recent archives, one of our very favorites.

  • This comes from 2023, and the series was called Everything You Never Knew About Whaling.

  • Back in the 19th century, whale hunting was big business, especially in the U.S.

  • It created massive wealth and it drove investment in other parts of the economy.

  • But eventually it collapsed for a variety of reasons, all of them pretty interesting.

  • We also learned that whaling continues to affect the economy in some parts of the world.

  • Consider this.

  • President Trump's Big Beautiful Bill includes a provision that allows indigenous Alaskan whaling captains to claim larger tax deductions on their business operations.

  • This provision helped Republicans get Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski to vote for the bill.

  • So whaling is still making news, at least the news we read.

  • This series was a lot of fun to make, and I hope you enjoy listening to it.

  • We have updated facts and figures as necessary.

  • What drives you to do what you do, Paul?

  • I don't want to live in a world without whales.

  • Paul Watson is an environmental activist.

  • You may remember him from a TV show called Whale Wars,

  • where he and his crew confronted Japanese whale hunting ships in Antarctica.