Europe’s split over Palestinian recognition

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World in 10

2025-08-05

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Britain and France are at odds with Germany and Italy over whether to recognise Palestine as a state at the UN general assembly in September.  Germany, along with Italy, has adopted the stance of “not on the agenda right now”. Peter Conradi, Europe editor of The Sunday Times, delves into how this disagreement highlights deeper divisions within the European Union regarding Israel and the ongoing conflict in Gaza. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com  Photo: Getty Images Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to The World in 10.

  • In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • Today with me, Laura Cook and Stuart Willey.

  • Israel's prime minister is sitting down today with security officials to work out a new strategy for the war in Gaza.

  • Reports from local media suggest he may be looking to expand the war or even seize the entire strip.

  • It comes amid division in Israel over that war,

  • with 19 former military and spy chiefs warning the country is on the precipice of defeat.

  • But as more Palestinians die from starvation, malnutrition and Israeli fire,

  • there's also division here in Europe over how to respond to the unfolding crisis.

  • To explore this further, we're joined by Peter Conradi, Europe editor for the Sunday Times.

  • Peter, European leaders appear divided not only over recognising Palestine as a state,

  • but also over measures that could press Israel to address the suffering of Gazans.

  • What's behind these splits?

  • Well, I mean, these splits began to emerge, I think,

  • after President Macron of France announced on July the 24th that France was formally going to recognize the state of Palestine at the UN General Assembly in September.

  • So Macron had been indicating this since April.

  • The original plan had been to do it in June at a conference that the French were going to organize with the Saudis.

  • But then, you know, events got in the way.

  • So this has been, you know, this idea has been kind of The French have signalled it.

  • I mean, Macron signalled it, I think, as early as April.