How to keep close friendships (w/ Aminatou Sow)

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  You're listening to how to Be a Better Human.

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  I'm your host, Chris Duffy.

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  If I had to pick a single thing that I think is the most important thing when it comes to friendships,

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  relationships and even your relationship with yourself,

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  I'd say it's being able to communicate honestly about what it is that you're feeling.

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  Today's guest, the inimitable writer and podcaster and woman around town,

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  Aminatou, so is extremely good at this.

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  Aminatou gives honest advice to strangers in her newsletter.

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  She wrote a book, Big How We Keep each Other Close with her friend Ann Friedman,

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  where one of the memorable sections was Being Very Honest about how they went to couples counseling together as platonic friends to figure out how to navigate issues and communicate better and stay connected.

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  She and Anne also hosted the popular podcast Call youl Girlfriend for years.

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  Call youl Girlfriend was always funny and fun, but it was also really refreshingly honest.

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  As an example,

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  here's a clip from one episode where Anne and Aminatou are talking about being self employed.

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  We were having a conversation some months ago about the ways in which the skills we have had to develop in working for ourselves and on our own do and don't translate to staff employment.

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  And also about some of the myths surrounding self employment that I think are perpetuated by a lot of self labeled creative class digital people who are like this is a thing that everyone should aspire to.

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  So we kind of wanna talk about this whole cocktail of stuff, right?

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  I mean it probably helps to talk about how we ended up being self employed, right?

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  I agree.

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  How did you end up self employed?

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