Classic Debate: To Stop Climate Collapse, We Must End Capitalism

经典辩论:欲阻止气候崩溃,我们必须终结资本主义

Intelligence Squared

2025-08-01

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Capitalism is driving us to disaster. Our planet is heading for a terrifying environmental cataclysm – and our economic system is responsible. The defining characteristic of capitalism is perpetual economic growth. And while it has brought us wonderful benefits, including improved health, wealth and opportunities to travel and experience the world, ever-increasing production and consumption – inherent in capitalism – are an existential threat to life on our planet. The more we produce and consume, the more energy we need – and renewables can’t keep pace. Unless we abandon capitalism now, we will inevitably continue to drive up the demand for fossil fuels. According to some scientific predictions, human civilisation could completely collapse by 2050 if we don’t take drastic action to stop climate change now. We must end capitalism before it’s too late.  That’s the view of the anti-capitalist eco-warriors. But while it’s undeniable that capitalism has contributed to our current climate crisis, it has also proven to be history’s most effective way of solving our problems. According to capitalism’s defenders, there is almost no challenge capitalism hasn’t met. It has helped defeat disease and has lifted billions out of poverty – and there’s no reason why the dynamism of the marketplace can’t be harnessed to bring our carbon emissions down to zero. For example, until recently solar panels were impossibly expensive; now they are cheap and helping us transition away from fossil fuels. Our system of competitive, open markets gives strong incentives for the world’s brightest minds to find creative solutions to climate change. So don’t listen to the doomsayers who want to rip up our economic system. Capitalism is not the problem; it’s the solution.  --- If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full ad free conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.

  • I'm head of programming, Conor Boyle.

  • Today we're bringing you a classic debate from 2019.

  • Capitalism and climate change are understood to be inextricably intertwined.

  • But could capitalism ultimately be the answer to climate change, or is it driving us to disaster?

  • Intelligence Squared brought together four leading thinkers to debate this very question.

  • Arguing in favour of the motion, to stop climate collapse,

  • we must end capitalism, were Guardian columnist George Monbiot,

  • an environmental lawyer Farhana Yamin,

  • and opposing were the chair of the Energy Transitions Committee,

  • Adair Turner, and environmental campaigner Tony Juniper.

  • The debate was chaired by broadcaster Riddla Shah.

  • Let's join Riddla now with more.

  • Welcome everybody to tonight's Intelligence Squared debate.

  • I'm not sure I've ever been involved with anything with such a long waiting list.

  • Although there was that one time in A&E.

  • Anyway, tonight's motion is to stop climate collapse, we must end capitalism.

  • It's a provocative and timely talking point.

  • The discussion about climate change has at last become mainstream.

  • It was for the first time, I think it's fair to say,