Artificial intelligentsia: an interview with the boss of Anthropic

人工智能智士:与Anthropic掌门人的访谈

Money Talks from The Economist

2025-07-31

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Dario Amodei is an unusual figure to lead one of the world's most valuable AI firms. Unlike most CEOs, he spends more time talking about geopolitical tensions or the huge job losses his industry is likely to be responsible for than Anthropic's commercial strategy. Safety is central to the company's mission—and it sells. Revenues appear to be on track to near $10bn this year. That's ten times more than last year. So how should we think about the seemingly unstoppable rise of Anthropic? Hosts: Alice Fulwood, Mike Bird and Ethan Wu. Guests: The Economist's Henry Tricks; Dario Amodei and Anthropic's in-house philosopher Amanda Askell. Transcripts of our podcasts are available via economist.com/podcasts. Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to Economist Podcasts+.
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  • But that wouldn't just create a crisis in the jobs market.

  • It would create a crisis of human meaning.

  • People get a lot of value out of their work because they feel this strong sense of contribution.

  • That is Amanda Askell, the philosopher in residence at Anthropic,

  • one of the AI companies that expects to be responsible for those job losses.

  • But, she argues, employment should not be the only way we measure our worth.

  • There's lots of people in society who can't contribute,

  • and we don't think of such people as worthless.

  • It would be awful for us to think that way.

  • So how should we think?

  • Imagine that human contribution was just required less.

  • Suppose that everyone gets a really great salary, but they aren't required to work.

  • And then there's this question of would they have this loss of a sense of self and purpose?

  • It's an interesting question,

  • especially for someone just returning to work after several months on maternity leave.

  • These kinds of questions are core to Anthropic's approach to developing AI.