“There’s no good way to kill somebody”: what the death penalty looks like in America

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  Hey there, just a quick note,

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  this episode contains descriptions of violent crimes and death row executions.

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  This is In Conversation from Apple News.

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  I'm Shamita Basu.

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  Today, what the death penalty in America really looks like.

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  At the end of President Trump's first term,

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  his administration resumed federal executions after a 17-year pause,

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  carrying out 13 executions in just six months.

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  At the time, Elizabeth Brunig was a reporter at the New York Times writing about the death penalty.

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  Capitol punishment has interested me for a while.

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  There's nothing else really like it in society where we kill fully healthy civilians.

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  And I felt

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  like I couldn't really justify my feelings on it either way or really even understand my feelings on it unless I saw it for myself.

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  In 2020,

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  Elizabeth decided to volunteer as a media witness to a federal execution in Indiana and write about what she saw.

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  She continued to cover the issue as a staff writer at The Atlantic,

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  where she wrote about witnessing five executions over the course of five years,

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  including two failed attempts.

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  She grew close to several inmates on death row and their families.

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  And Elizabeth says that all of this,

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