Secondary tariffs explained: can they hurt Russia?

次级关税解读:它们能否伤害俄罗斯?

Ukrainecast

2025-07-23

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After Ukraine announced another round of peace talks with Russia, commentators continue to question whether President Trump’s latest threat of secondary tariffs carries enough weight to force Vladimir Putin to the negotiating table. So we’re asking how exactly these measures could be rolled out, what the impact would be on international trade, and why the US isn’t opting to introduce further sanctions alongside the EU. To answer all of that, Victoria and Vitaly are joined by Stephanie Baker, a senior writer in Bloomberg’s investigations team, and the author of ‘Punishing Putin: Inside the Global Economic War to Bring Down Russia’. Plus, we discuss how Russia is overhauling the education system for those 1.6 million Ukrainian children living under occupation. Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko. The producers were Laurie Kalus, Polly Hope and Julia Webster. The technical producer was Hannah Montgomery. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480 You can join the Ukrainecast discussion on Newscast’s Discord server here: tinyurl.com/ukrainecastdiscord
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  • BBC sounds music radio podcasts hello it's 1245 days

  • since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine and Vitaly we weren't necessarily expecting you today Yeah,

  • I was, I came into the office with a suitcase,

  • I was preparing to fly to Istanbul for another round of talks between Russia and Ukraine,

  • because what the Marzelensky said on Monday that it's taking place tomorrow,

  • Wednesday, then the Kremlin said,

  • well, not necessarily, we'll let you know the exact days when there's more clarity,

  • and still there's no clarity, but I'm flying to Istanbul tomorrow, just in case,

  • looks like that might be happening on Wednesday evening, maybe Thursday, maybe Friday.

  • Nobody's really expecting much but hey, talks between Russia and Ukraine always sort of...

  • Better than no talks.

  • Better than no talks and you know, hope dies last.

  • You will have seen this pretty remarkable video on social media which is a report from Russian military TV and it shows the inside of a drone production plant in Russia which mass produces the Shahad drones.

  • And, well, you've watched it.

  • You know what the report says.

  • What struck me was how massive these drones are.

  • When you think about drones and you think about the sort of slight buzzing humming sound,

  • these are like almost like the wings of aeroplanes.

  • And there are loads of them.

  • They are sinister.